<p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>그러네요 카드업계가 진짜 걱정이 된다면 대기업 대형마트에 카드수수료 조금만 올리면 되겠네요..</span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span></span><span>0.1% 올리면 년 4,000억 0.2% 올리면 8,000억...  왜 이런 기사는 없는걸까요?  </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>문재인 정부 망해라 망해라 외치는 언론사가 있더라도 </span><span>최소한 양심이 있는 언론사와 기자는 </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>있어야지</span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span><br></span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span><iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/bqdXFixS6HU" frameborder="0"></iframe><br></span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span><br></span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>◎</span><span> 4</span><span>부</span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>[</span><span>인터뷰</span><span> </span><span>제</span><span>4</span><span>공장</span><span>]</span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>연말</span><span> </span><span>핫이슈</span><span> ‘</span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>인상</span><span>’ </span><span>기업과</span><span> </span><span>근로자</span><span> </span><span>상생할</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>없을까</span><span>?</span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>- </span><span>안진걸</span><span> </span><span>소장</span><span> (</span><span>민생경제연구소</span><span>)</span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>- </span><span>방기홍</span><span> </span><span>상임회장</span><span> (</span><span>한국중소상인자영업자총연합회</span><span>, </span><span>전국문구점살리기연합회</span><span>)</span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span><br></span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>어쩌다보니</span><span> </span><span>연속</span><span> </span><span>기획이</span><span> </span><span>되어가고</span><span> </span><span>있습니다</span><span>. </span><span>자영업자</span><span> </span><span>문제를</span><span> </span><span>자영업자와</span><span> </span><span>그리고</span><span> </span><span>민생경제연구소에서</span><span> </span><span>짚어보는</span><span> </span><span>시간입니다</span><span>. </span><span>연구소</span><span> </span><span>소장</span><span> </span><span>안진걸</span><span> </span><span>소장님</span><span> </span><span>나오셨고요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>안녕하십니까</span><span>? </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>훨씬</span><span> </span><span>더</span><span> </span><span>중요한</span><span> </span><span>분이죠</span><span>. </span><span>한국중소상인자영업총연합회</span><span>, </span><span>총연합회의</span><span> </span><span>방기홍</span><span> </span><span>회장님</span><span> </span><span>나오셨습니다</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>안녕하십니까</span><span>? </span><span>방기홍입니다</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>첫</span><span> </span><span>방송이</span><span> </span><span>호응이</span><span> </span><span>높아서</span><span> </span><span>계속</span><span> </span><span>모시게</span><span> </span><span>되는데</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>감사합니다</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>저는</span><span> </span><span>회장님만</span><span> </span><span>모시는데</span><span> </span><span>자꾸</span><span> </span><span>소장님도</span><span> </span><span>같이</span><span> </span><span>나와요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>덤으로</span><span> </span><span>덤으로</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>자기도</span><span> </span><span>부른</span><span> </span><span>줄</span><span> </span><span>알고</span><span>. </span><span>우리는</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>불렀는데</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>주객이</span><span> </span><span>전도된</span><span> </span><span>것</span><span> </span><span>같아요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>불렀는데</span><span> </span><span>자꾸</span><span> </span><span>나와서</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>방기홍</span><span> </span><span>회장님</span><span> </span><span>옆에</span><span> </span><span>제가</span><span> </span><span>있어야</span><span> </span><span>됩니다</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>그럼요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>오늘은</span><span> </span><span>제가</span><span> </span><span>목이</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>좋아서</span><span> </span><span>두</span><span> </span><span>분이</span><span> </span><span>얘기를</span><span> </span><span>많이</span><span> </span><span>하시되</span><span> </span><span>특히</span><span> </span><span>회장님이</span><span> </span><span>많이</span><span> </span><span>해</span><span> </span><span>주시고요</span><span>. </span><span>안진걸</span><span> </span><span>소장이</span><span> </span><span>중간중간</span><span> </span><span>끼어들면</span><span> </span><span>입</span><span> </span><span>닫으라고</span><span> </span><span>해</span><span> </span><span>주세요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>제가</span><span> </span><span>잘라요</span><span>? </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>네</span><span>, </span><span>제</span><span> </span><span>대신에</span><span>. </span><span>계속</span><span> </span><span>이어지는</span><span> </span><span>이야기인데</span><span> </span><span>카드수수료</span><span> </span><span>기사가</span><span> </span><span>너무</span><span> </span><span>잘했다가</span><span> </span><span>아니라</span><span> </span><span>희한한</span><span> </span><span>방식으로</span><span> </span><span>나와요</span><span>. </span><span>예를</span><span> </span><span>들어서</span><span> </span><span>몇</span><span> </span><span>가지</span><span> </span><span>기사</span><span> </span><span>제목을</span><span> </span><span>불러드릴게요</span><span>. </span><span>뉴시스</span><span> </span><span>같은</span><span> </span><span>경우에</span><span> </span><span>카드수수료로</span><span> </span><span>인한</span><span> </span><span>파장인하</span><span>. </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>폭탄</span><span> </span><span>돌리기다</span><span>. </span><span>그</span><span> </span><span>외에</span><span> </span><span>많습니다</span><span>. </span><span>카드수수료</span><span> </span><span>인하</span><span> </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>정책을</span><span> </span><span>접어야</span><span> </span><span>된다</span><span>. </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>인상</span><span> </span><span>플러스</span><span> </span><span>카드수수료</span><span> </span><span>인하는</span><span> </span><span>일자리</span><span> 90</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>개가</span><span> </span><span>줄었다</span><span>. </span><span>카드수수료</span><span> </span><span>그리고</span><span> </span><span>제로페이</span><span> </span><span>관치금융이다</span><span>. </span><span>문</span><span> </span><span>정부의</span><span> </span><span>일방통행</span><span>. </span><span>카드수수료</span><span> </span><span>인하라고</span><span> </span><span>해서</span><span> </span><span>자영업자</span><span> </span><span>어렵다고</span><span> </span><span>어렵다고</span><span> </span><span>얼마나</span><span> </span><span>기사</span><span> </span><span>많이</span><span> </span><span>나왔어요</span><span>. </span><span>그래서</span><span> </span><span>카드수수료</span><span> </span><span>인하했더니</span><span> </span><span>이번에는</span><span> </span><span>카드수수료</span><span> </span><span>인하한</span><span> </span><span>것은</span><span> </span><span>관치금융이고</span><span> </span><span>일자리가</span><span> </span><span>줄었고</span><span> </span><span>폭탄</span><span> </span><span>돌리기고</span><span>. </span><span>이거</span><span> </span><span>어떻게</span><span> </span><span>하라는</span><span> </span><span>거예요</span><span>. </span><span>뭘</span><span> </span><span>해도</span><span> </span><span>욕을</span><span> </span><span>해</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>말도</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>소리예요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>역시</span><span> </span><span>우리</span><span> </span><span>회장님</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>최저임금을</span><span> </span><span>보완하라고</span><span> </span><span>낸</span><span> </span><span>대책이</span><span> </span><span>카드수수료</span><span> </span><span>인하정책이거든요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그러니까요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>카드수수료</span><span> </span><span>근본적인</span><span> </span><span>이유는</span><span> </span><span>이게</span><span> </span><span>시혜를</span><span> </span><span>주려고</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>게</span><span> </span><span>아니잖아요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>지난번</span><span> </span><span>말씀하신</span><span> </span><span>것처럼</span><span> </span><span>불평등했다</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>그걸</span><span> </span><span>해소하려고</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>건데</span><span> </span><span>그걸로</span><span> </span><span>인해서</span><span> </span><span>최저임금을</span><span> </span><span>보완할</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있다면</span><span> </span><span>더</span><span> </span><span>해야</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>아니에요</span><span>. </span><span>다른</span><span> </span><span>건</span><span> </span><span>몰라도</span><span>. </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>그것을</span><span> </span><span>비판한다</span><span>. </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>폭탄</span><span> </span><span>돌리기한다</span><span>. </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>것은</span><span> </span><span>말이</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>소리고</span><span>. </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>것은</span><span> </span><span>더</span><span> </span><span>해야</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>거예요</span><span>, </span><span>사실은</span><span>. </span><span>그리고</span><span> </span><span>잘못</span><span> </span><span>아는</span><span> </span><span>것</span><span> </span><span>같아요</span><span>. </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>인상</span><span> </span><span>부분을</span><span> </span><span>카드수수료로</span><span> </span><span>보완하려고</span><span> </span><span>한다고</span><span> </span><span>생각을</span><span> </span><span>하는데</span><span> </span><span>최저임금하고</span><span> </span><span>카드수수료하고는</span><span> </span><span>사실은</span><span> </span><span>관계는</span><span> </span><span>없는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>아무</span><span> </span><span>상관없죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>최저임금은</span><span> </span><span>최저임금이고</span><span> </span><span>카드수수료</span><span> </span><span>불평등은</span><span> </span><span>불평등인</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span><span>불평등을</span><span> </span><span>해소해</span><span> </span><span>줌으로</span><span> </span><span>해서</span><span> </span><span>최저임금이</span><span> </span><span>보완될</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있다면</span><span> </span><span>당연히</span><span> </span><span>해야</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>일이고</span><span> </span><span>우리들은</span><span> </span><span>특혜를</span><span> </span><span>받은</span><span> </span><span>게</span><span> </span><span>아니고</span><span> </span><span>당연히</span><span> </span><span>받아야</span><span> </span><span>될</span><span> </span><span>권리를</span><span> </span><span>받은</span><span> </span><span>것이다</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> :<strong><u> </u></strong></span><strong><u><span>일자리</span><span> 90</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>개</span><span> </span><span>준다는</span><span> </span><span>게</span><span> </span><span>어떤</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>, </span><span>이게</span></u></strong><span><strong><u>?</u></strong> </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><strong><u><span>이것은</span><span> </span><span>근거가</span><span> </span><span>없습니다</span><span>. </span><span>거짓말</span><span> </span><span>뉴스고요</span><span>. </span><span>오히려</span><span> </span><span>최근에</span><span> </span><span>일자리</span><span> </span><span>다시</span><span> 10</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>개</span><span> </span><span>이상</span><span> </span><span>늘어나고</span><span> </span><span>회복되고</span><span> </span><span>있지</span><span> </span><span>않습니까</span><span>?</span></u></strong></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span> </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그것은</span><span> </span><span>보도를</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>해요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>보도가</span><span> </span><span>이어져야</span><span> </span><span>되고</span><span>. </span><span>그렇게</span><span> </span><span>신용카드사가</span><span> </span><span>걱정이</span><span> </span><span>되시면</span><span> 500</span><span>억</span><span> </span><span>매출이</span><span> </span><span>넘는</span><span> </span><span>전국의</span><span> </span><span>대형마트들</span><span>, </span><span>백화점들</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> 1%</span><span>쯤</span><span> </span><span>되거든요</span><span>. </span><strong><u><span>거기</span><span> </span><span>수수료</span><span> 0.1% </span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>늘려도</span><span> </span><span>연</span><span> </span><span>매출</span><span> 4000</span><span>억</span><span> </span><span>정도</span><span> </span><span>늘어난다고</span><span> </span><span>그랬잖아요</span><span>. </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>보도를</span><span> </span><span>하시면</span><span> </span><span>되잖아요</span><span>. </span><span>그렇게</span><span> </span><span>신용카드사가</span><span> </span><span>걱정이</span><span> </span><span>되면</span></u></strong><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>대기업들</span><span> </span><span>수수료</span><span> 0. 1%</span><span>를</span><span> </span><span>올려라</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>주장은</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>하고</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>그</span><span> </span><span>얘기를</span><span> </span><span>해야</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span><span>왜냐하면</span><span> </span><span>대형마트의</span><span> </span><span>연간</span><strong><u><span> </span><span>매출이</span><span> 42</span><span>조</span><span> </span></u></strong><span><strong><u>정도</u></strong>가</span><span> </span><span>된다고</span><span> </span><span>그러잖아요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : 42</span><span>조나</span><span> </span><span>됩니까</span><span>? </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><strong><u><span>거기에</span><span> 0.1% </span><span>카드수수료만</span><span> </span><span>물려도</span><span> 4000</span><span>억이</span><span> </span><span>넘잖아요</span></u></strong><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>그러니까요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그러네요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> :<strong><u> 0.2% </u></strong></span><strong><u><span>올리면</span><span> 8000</span><span>억이</span><span> </span><span>넘어요</span></u></strong><span>. </span><span>여기에</span><span> </span><span>대한</span><span> </span><span>보도를</span><span> </span><span>해</span><span> </span><span>줘야</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span><span>대기업</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>조금만</span><span> </span><span>올리면</span><span> </span><span>보완한다</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>대기업</span><span> </span><span>욕을</span><span> </span><span>못해요</span><span>, </span><span>원래</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>그것은</span><span> </span><span>대기업</span><span> </span><span>편을</span><span> </span><span>들어줘야</span><span> </span><span>되니까</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>하는</span><span> </span><span>것</span><span> </span><span>같고</span><span>. </span><span>우리</span><span> </span><span>사무금융노조</span><span> </span><span>있잖아요</span><span>. </span><span>신용카드에서</span><span> </span><span>노조가</span><span> </span><span>속해</span><span> </span><span>있는</span><span>. </span><span>간부</span><span> </span><span>찾아가서</span><span> </span><span>직접</span><span> </span><span>자기들이</span><span> </span><span>얘기를</span><span> </span><span>하고</span><span> </span><span>싶대요</span><span>, </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>목소리도</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>신용카드</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>신용카드사</span><span> </span><span>노조</span><span> </span><span>선생님들이</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>지금</span><span> </span><span>신용카드</span><span> </span><span>노조들이</span><span> </span><span>파업을</span><span>. </span><span>파업인가요</span><span>? </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>항의를</span><span> </span><span>했었죠</span><span>, </span><span>항의</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>시위를</span><span> </span><span>했는데</span><span> </span><span>자신들의</span><span> </span><span>진짜</span><span> </span><span>뜻이</span><span> </span><span>뭔가</span><span> </span><span>말하고</span><span> </span><span>싶다</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>지금</span><span> </span><span>이</span><span> </span><span>언론보도들이</span><span> </span><span>을과</span><span> </span><span>을을</span><span> </span><span>계속</span><span> </span><span>싸움을</span><span> </span><span>붙이고</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span><span>이</span><span> </span><span>보도들이</span><span> </span><span>얼마나</span><span> </span><span>문제인지</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><strong><u><span>그러니까요</span><span>. </span><span>이건</span><span> </span><span>사실</span><span> </span><span>문재인</span><span> </span><span>정부가</span><span> </span><span>잘한</span><span> </span><span>정책이거든요</span><span>. </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>인상을</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span>. </span></u></strong></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>이것은요</span><span>. </span><span>그냥</span><span> </span><span>욕하는</span><span> </span><span>거예요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>그러니까요</span><span>. </span><span>무조건</span><span> </span><span>욕하는</span><span> </span><span>거예요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>죽으라는</span><span> </span><span>거예요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>해도</span><span> </span><span>해도</span><span> </span><span>너무하죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><strong><u><span>아무것도</span><span> </span><span>하지</span><span> </span><span>말고</span><span>. </span><span>망해라</span></u></strong><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>망해라</span><span> </span><span>이거죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>다른</span><span> </span><span>게</span><span> </span><span>없어요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>뭘</span><span> </span><span>해도</span><span> </span><span>망해라</span><span>. </span><span>이거예요</span><span>. </span><span>그게</span><span> </span><span>실제입니다</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>통계상으로</span><span> </span><span>보면</span><span> </span><strong><u><span>월급</span><span> 200</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>원이</span><span> </span><span>넘는</span><span> </span><span>노동자가</span><span> </span><span>우리나라</span><span> </span><span>역사상</span><span> </span><span>최초로</span><span> 60%</span><span>를</span><span> </span><span>돌파했거든요</span><span>. </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>보도는</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>나오잖아요</span></u></strong><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>나오죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>그럼</span><span> </span><span>저소득</span><span> </span><span>노동자가</span><span> </span><span>있는</span><span> </span><span>집집마다는요</span><span>. </span><span>이제</span><span> </span><span>월급</span><span> </span><span>조금씩</span><span> </span><span>다</span><span> </span><span>올라서</span><span> </span><span>우리</span><span> 200</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>원</span><span> </span><span>넘어섰구나하고</span><span> </span><span>박수</span><span> </span><span>보내고</span><span> </span><span>있어요</span><span>. </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>방기홍</span><span> </span><span>회장님같이</span><span> </span><span>직접</span><span> </span><span>월급을</span><span> </span><span>줘야</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>분</span><span> </span><span>입장에서는</span><span> </span><span>부담이</span><span> </span><span>됐던</span><span> </span><span>게</span><span> </span><span>사실인데</span><span> </span><span>카드수수료</span><span> </span><span>대폭</span><span> </span><span>인하해가지고요</span><span>. </span><strong><u><span>웬만한</span><span> </span><span>편의점이나</span><span> </span><span>파리바게트</span><span> </span><span>같은</span><span> </span><span>빵집들</span><span> </span><span>있잖아요</span><span>. </span><span>수수료가</span><span> </span><span>최소</span><span> </span><span>몇</span><span> </span><span>백</span><span> </span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>원에서</span><span> </span><span>많게는</span><span> 500</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>원</span><span>, 600</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>원이</span><span> </span><span>줄어들어요</span><span>, </span><span>해마다</span></u></strong><span><strong><u>.</u></strong> </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>문제는</span><span> </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>것</span><span> </span><span>같아요</span><span>. </span><span>저희들같이</span><span> </span><span>지불하는</span><span> </span><span>입장에서는</span><span> </span><span>그게</span><span> </span><span>부담일</span><span> </span><span>수밖에</span><span> </span><span>없어요</span><span>. </span><span>그건</span><span> </span><span>당연히</span><span> </span><span>부담인</span><span> </span><span>건데</span><span> </span><span>그렇다고</span><span> </span><span>그건</span><span> </span><span>반대할</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>없는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span><span>왜냐하면</span><span> 1</span><span>인당</span><span> 200</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>원</span><span> </span><span>정도</span><span> </span><span>받아야</span><span> </span><span>최소한</span><span> </span><span>생활을</span><span> </span><span>하거든요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>먹고살죠</span><span>, </span><span>최소한</span><span>. </span><span>우리나라가</span><span> </span><span>실질</span><span> </span><span>물가지수가</span><span> </span><span>가장</span><span> </span><span>높은</span><span> </span><span>나라</span><span> </span><span>중에</span><span> </span><span>하나예요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>전</span><span> </span><span>세계에서</span><span>. </span><span>뉴욕보다</span><span> </span><span>더</span><span> </span><span>비싸요</span><span>, </span><span>먹고사는</span><span> </span><span>데</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><strong><u><span>거기다</span><span> </span><span>교육비</span><span>, </span><span>주거비</span><span>, </span><span>의료비</span><span>, </span><span>통신비</span><span>, </span><span>이자비</span><span>, </span><span>교통비가</span><span> </span><span>세계에서</span><span> </span><span>가장</span><span> </span><span>비싼</span><span> </span><span>나라거든요</span><span>. </span><span>이게</span><span> </span><span>가장</span><span> </span><span>부담이</span><span> </span><span>되거든요</span></u></strong><span><strong><u>.</u></strong> </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>전</span><span> </span><span>세계에서</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> 6</span><span>위권인가</span><span> 7</span><span>위권인가</span><span> </span><span>그렇더라고요</span><span>. </span><span>보니까</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : 8,350</span><span>원이라고</span><span> </span><span>해도</span><span> </span><span>월</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> 180</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>원</span><span> </span><span>조금</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>되잖아요</span><span>. </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>그것도</span><span> </span><span>부담인</span><span> </span><span>건</span><span> </span><span>사실이에요</span><span>, </span><span>저희들한테</span><span>. </span><span>원인이</span><span> </span><span>뭐냐를</span><span> </span><span>봐야</span><span> </span><span>돼요</span><span>. </span><span>우리가</span><span> </span><span>그것을</span><span> </span><span>부담할</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>없는</span><span> </span><span>여력이</span><span> </span><span>왜</span><span> </span><span>없느냐</span><span>. </span><span>그</span><span> </span><span>원인을</span><span> </span><span>제거를</span><span> </span><span>해</span><span> </span><span>주면</span><span> </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>달성할</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있는</span><span> </span><span>건데</span><span> </span><span>그것은</span><span> </span><span>저번에</span><span> </span><span>말씀드렸던</span><span> </span><span>것처럼</span><span> </span><span>대기업의</span><span> </span><span>시장독과점이</span><span> </span><span>큰</span><span> </span><span>원인이거든요</span><span>. </span><span>그것을</span><span> </span><span>해소할</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있는</span><span> </span><span>방법을</span><span> </span><span>찾아야</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>거고</span><span> </span><span>그것은</span><span> </span><span>쉽지</span><span> </span><span>않아요</span><span>. </span><span>법과</span><span> </span><span>제도를</span><span> </span><span>바꿔야</span><span> </span><span>되기</span><span> </span><span>때문에</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>출점</span><span> </span><span>거리</span><span> </span><span>때문에</span><span>. </span><span>또</span><span> </span><span>과다경쟁이</span><span> </span><span>생겨서</span><span> </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>것도</span><span> </span><span>있고</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>지금</span><span> </span><span>카드수수료</span><span> </span><span>같은</span><span> </span><span>건</span><span> </span><span>지금</span><span> </span><span>당장</span><span> </span><span>고통을</span><span> </span><span>해소해</span><span> </span><span>주는</span><span> </span><span>거거든요</span><span>. </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>거를</span><span> </span><span>해</span><span> </span><span>주면</span><span>. </span><span>두</span><span> </span><span>가지예요</span><span>, </span><span>이</span><span> </span><span>정부에서</span><span> </span><span>잘한</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span>. </span><span>임대차보호법을</span><span> </span><span>개정을</span><span> </span><span>해서</span><span> </span><span>과도하게</span><span> </span><span>못</span><span> </span><span>올리게</span><span> 5%</span><span>를</span><span> </span><span>제한을</span><span> </span><span>했고</span><span> 10</span><span>년</span><span> </span><span>보장을</span><span> </span><span>했잖아요</span><span>. </span><span>다소</span><span> </span><span>미흡한</span><span> </span><span>점은</span><span> </span><span>있어요</span><span>. </span><span>환산금보증금제도</span><span> </span><span>같은</span><span> </span><span>게</span><span> </span><span>폐지가</span><span> </span><span>돼서</span><span> </span><span>약</span><span> 6</span><span>억이</span><span> </span><span>넘는</span><span> </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>사람도</span><span> </span><span>보호가</span><span> </span><span>됐어야</span><span> </span><span>하는데</span><span> </span><span>그렇지</span><span> </span><span>못했다는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span><span>서울이</span><span> 6</span><span>억</span><span> 1,000</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>원이에요</span><span>. 6</span><span>억</span><span> 1,000</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>원</span><span> </span><span>넘는</span><span> </span><span>게</span><span> </span><span>대다수거든요</span><span>.</span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : 1</span><span>억에</span><span> 7, 800</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>원</span><span> </span><span>하는</span><span> </span><span>데가</span><span> </span><span>보통이니까</span><span>. 6</span><span>억</span><span> 1,000</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>원이면</span><span> </span><span>변두리</span><span> </span><span>장사</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>데밖에</span><span> </span><span>보호받지</span><span> </span><span>못하기</span><span> </span><span>때문에</span><span> </span><span>환산보증금제도를</span><span> </span><span>폐지를</span><span> </span><span>해서</span><span> </span><span>보호가</span><span> </span><span>됐어야</span><span> </span><span>하는데</span><span> </span><span>아쉽고</span><span>. </span><span>또</span><span> </span><span>중요한</span><span> </span><span>정책이</span><span> </span><span>이</span><span> </span><span>정부가</span><span> </span><span>잘한</span><span> </span><span>정책이</span><span> </span><span>하나가</span><span> </span><span>있어요</span><span>. </span><span>일자리</span><span> </span><span>안정자금지원</span><span>. </span><span>이것을</span><span> </span><span>제대로</span><span> </span><span>했으면</span><span> </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>반발이</span><span> </span><span>덜했을</span><span> </span><span>거예요</span><span>. </span><span>좋은</span><span> </span><span>정책인데</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>어떻게</span><span> </span><span>했어야</span><span> </span><span>합니까</span><span>? </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>지금은</span><span> </span><span>혜택을</span><span> </span><span>너무</span><span> </span><span>적게</span><span> </span><span>봐요</span><span>. </span><span>이</span><span> </span><span>카드수수료처럼</span><span> </span><span>얇게</span><span> </span><span>넓게</span><span> </span><span>했으면</span><span> </span><span>골고루</span><span> </span><span>혜택을</span><span> </span><span>보기</span><span> </span><span>때문에</span><span> </span><span>반발이</span><span> </span><span>덜했을</span><span> </span><span>텐데</span><span> </span><span>지금은</span><span> 20</span><span>명</span><span> </span><span>이하</span><span>, 190</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>원</span><span> </span><span>이하</span><span>. </span><span>이렇게</span><span> </span><span>국소적으로</span><span> </span><span>지원을</span><span> </span><span>하다보니까</span><span> </span><span>대다수의</span><span> </span><span>자영업자들이</span><span> </span><span>지원을</span><span> </span><span>못</span><span> </span><span>받죠</span><span>. </span><span>그림의</span><span> </span><span>떡인</span><span> </span><span>거예요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>정책입안자</span><span>, </span><span>실행자들은</span><span> </span><span>새겨들어야</span><span> </span><span>되겠습니다</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span><span>주위</span><span> </span><span>얘기를</span><span> </span><span>듣고</span><span> </span><span>제대로</span><span> </span><span>했으면</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>자영업자총연합회</span><span> </span><span>얘기를</span><span> </span><span>들어야</span><span> </span><span>한다</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>그렇습니다</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>우리가</span><span> </span><span>그</span><span> </span><span>당사자들이니까</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>이것은</span><span> </span><span>최저임금</span><span>, </span><span>일자리안정자금지원은</span><span> </span><span>세계</span><span> </span><span>최초예요</span><span>. </span><span>어느</span><span> </span><span>나라에도</span><span> </span><span>없던</span><span> </span><span>정책이거든요</span><span>. </span><span>그</span><span> </span><span>좋은</span><span> </span><span>정책임에도</span><span> </span><span>불구하고</span><span> </span><span>제대로</span><span> </span><span>인정을</span><span> </span><span>받지</span><span> </span><span>못하고</span><span> </span><span>효과가</span><span> </span><span>미흡하다</span><span>. </span><span>그것은</span><span> 50</span><span>명이나</span><span> </span><span>늘려서</span><span> 50</span><span>명은</span><span> 2%</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>지원하고</span><span> 30</span><span>명은</span><span> 3% </span><span>지원하고</span><span> </span><span>이렇게</span><span> </span><span>차별적으로</span><span> </span><span>지원을</span><span> </span><span>하면</span><span> </span><span>골고루</span><span> </span><span>혜택을</span><span> </span><span>보기</span><span> </span><span>때문에</span><span> </span><span>모두의</span><span> </span><span>환영을</span><span> </span><span>받을</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>앞으로</span><span> </span><span>발표될</span><span> </span><span>자영업종합대책에</span><span> </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>내용도</span><span> </span><span>포함되어야</span><span> </span><span>될</span><span> </span><span>것</span><span> </span><span>같고요</span><span>. </span><span>다행히</span><span> </span><span>내년에</span><span> </span><span>일자리안전자금은</span><span> 5</span><span>인</span><span> </span><span>미만</span><span> </span><span>사업장은</span><span> 13</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>원에서</span><span> 15</span><span>만으로</span><span> </span><span>올라갑니다</span><span>. </span><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>예를</span><span> </span><span>들면</span><span> </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>부담</span><span>... </span><span>지금</span><span> </span><span>조중동</span><span> </span><span>등</span><span> </span><span>포함해서</span><span> </span><span>맨날</span><span> </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>때문에</span><span> </span><span>나라</span><span> </span><span>망한다고</span><span> </span><span>지금도</span><span> </span><span>악담을</span><span> </span><span>퍼붓고</span><span> </span><span>있는데</span><span> </span><span>정말</span><span> </span><span>그</span><span> </span><span>사람들</span><span> </span><span>그</span><span> </span><span>돈으로</span><span> </span><span>살아보라고</span><span> </span><span>이야기해</span><span> </span><span>주고</span><span> </span><span>싶어요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>자기들은</span><span> </span><span>죽는다고</span><span> </span><span>그러죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>절대</span><span> </span><span>못</span><span> </span><span>살고</span><span> </span><span>먼저</span><span> </span><span>데모할</span><span> </span><span>사람들입니다</span><span>. </span><span>올해</span><span> </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>겨우</span><span> </span><span>올라서</span><span> 150</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>원대잖아요</span><span>. </span><span>그것도</span><span> </span><span>주휴수당이</span><span> </span><span>포함된</span><span> </span><span>금액이거든요</span><span>. </span><span>주휴수당</span><span> </span><span>빼면</span><span> 130</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>원대인데</span><span> </span><span>제발</span><span> </span><span>그</span><span> </span><span>돈으로</span><span> </span><span>몇</span><span> </span><span>달을</span><span> </span><span>살고</span><span> </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>이야기를</span><span> </span><span>했으면</span><span> </span><span>좋겠고</span><span>. </span><span>그</span><span> </span><span>다음에</span><span> </span><span>굉장히</span><span> </span><span>중요한</span><span> </span><span>게</span><span> </span><span>편의점</span><span>. </span><span>자율규약</span><span> </span><span>했잖아요</span><span>. </span><span>정부가</span><span> </span><span>주도해서</span><span>. </span><span>앞으로</span><span> </span><span>담배소매법을</span><span> </span><span>개정하겠다는</span><span> </span><span>거예요</span><span>. </span><span>담배소매법이</span><span> 50m</span><span>로</span><span> </span><span>돼</span><span> </span><span>있거든요</span><span>. </span><strong><u><span>그러니까</span><span> 50m</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>떨어지면</span><span> </span><span>다</span><span> </span><span>출점해</span><span> </span><span>버렸잖아요</span><span>. </span><span>앞으로</span><span> </span><span>이걸</span><span> 100m</span><span>로</span><span>. </span><span>늘린다는</span><span> </span><span>겁니다</span></u></strong><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : 100m</span><span>면</span><span> </span><span>걸어가기</span><span> </span><span>귀찮아요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><strong><u><span>편의점</span><span> </span><span>문제</span><span> </span><span>같은</span><span> </span><span>경우는</span><span> </span><span>출점</span><span> </span><span>거리</span><span> </span><span>제한을</span><span> </span><span>해야</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>게</span><span> </span><span>맞아요</span><span>. </span><span>해야</span><span> </span><span>되지만</span><span> </span><span>근본적인</span><span> </span><span>원인</span><span> </span><span>해결책은</span><span> </span><span>일본처럼</span><span> </span><span>최저수익</span><span> </span><span>보장제를</span><span> </span><span>해야</span><span> </span><span>됩니다</span></u></strong><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>.</span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span> </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>왜냐하면</span><span> </span><span>상권이</span><span> </span><span>좋은</span><span> </span><span>데는</span><span> 2</span><span>개</span><span> </span><span>있어도</span><span> </span><span>먹고살잖아요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>상권이</span><span> </span><span>약한</span><span> </span><span>데는</span><span> </span><span>하나</span><span> </span><span>있어도</span><span> </span><span>못</span><span> </span><span>먹고사는</span><span> </span><span>거고</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>그렇기</span><span> </span><span>때문에</span><span> </span><span>출점</span><span> </span><span>거리</span><span> </span><span>제한은</span><span> </span><span>당장</span><span> </span><span>필요하니까</span><span> </span><span>하지만</span><span> </span><span>출점</span><span> </span><span>거리</span><span> </span><span>제한도</span><span> </span><span>필요</span><span> </span><span>없어요</span><span>. </span><span>최저수익</span><span> </span><span>보장제를</span><span> </span><span>하면</span><span> </span><span>다</span><span> </span><span>해결할</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>출점</span><span> </span><span>거리</span><span> </span><span>제한을</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>하면</span><span> </span><span>최저수익</span><span> </span><span>보장을</span><span> </span><span>본사도</span><span> </span><span>할</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>없겠죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>자연스럽게</span><span> </span><span>된다는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>같이</span><span> </span><span>가는</span><span> </span><span>거고</span><span>. </span><span>더더욱</span><span> </span><span>지난주에</span><span> </span><span>말한</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>있잖아요</span><span>. </span><span>신용카드</span><span> </span><span>가맹수수료를</span><span> </span><span>인하해서</span><span> </span><span>본사가</span><span> 30, 35%</span><span>를</span><span> </span><span>냈거든요</span><span>. </span><span>신용카드</span><span> </span><span>가맹점</span><span> </span><span>수수료를</span><span>. </span><span>그게</span><span> </span><span>없어졌잖아요</span><span>. </span><span>본사들도</span><span> </span><span>대폭</span><span> </span><span>인하해서</span><span>. CU</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>해서</span><span> </span><span>해마다</span><span> 60</span><span>억의</span><span> </span><span>수입이</span><span> </span><span>새로</span><span> </span><span>생기는</span><span> </span><span>거예요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그래요</span><span>? </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>네</span><span>. </span><span>지금</span><span> CU </span><span>앞에서</span><span> </span><span>가맹점주들이</span><span> </span><span>지금</span><span> </span><span>철야농성하고</span><span> </span><span>있거든요</span><span>. </span><span>이분들이</span><span> </span><span>분석을</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>거예요</span><span>. </span><span>우리가</span><span> </span><span>투쟁해서</span><span> </span><span>신용카드</span><span> </span><span>가맹수수료를</span><span> </span><span>대폭</span><span> </span><span>인하했는데</span><span> </span><span>본사들이</span><span> </span><span>혜택을</span><span> </span><span>엄청</span><span> </span><span>본다</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>이렇게</span><span> </span><span>하면</span><span> </span><span>잘</span><span> </span><span>몰라요</span><span>. </span><span>더</span><span> </span><span>쉽게</span><span> </span><span>얘기하면</span><span> </span><strong><u><span>수익의</span><span> 35%</span></u></strong><span>를</span><span> </span><span>본사가</span><span> </span><span>가져갔어요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>원래</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : 35%</span><span>를</span><span> </span><span>카드수수료를</span><span> </span><span>지원했어요</span><span>, </span><span>본사에서</span><span>. </span><span>그게</span><span> </span><span>없어지니까</span><span> </span><span>그대로</span><span> </span><span>수입이</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span><span>카드수익이</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><strong><u><span>그래서</span><span> CU</span><span>만</span><span> 60</span><span>억</span></u></strong><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : <strong><u>CU</u></strong></span><strong><u><span>가</span><span> 60</span><span>억이</span><span> </span><span>수입이</span><span> </span><span>된다는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span><span>그걸로</span><span> </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>지원하라</span><span>, </span><span>이</span><span> </span><span>얘기죠</span></u></strong><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span> </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>워래</span><span> </span><span>그</span><span> </span><span>돈을</span><span> </span><span>지원하려고</span><span> </span><span>줬던</span><span> </span><span>돈인데</span><span> </span><span>수수료</span><span> </span><span>줄여줬으니까</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>줘도</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>아니냐</span><span>. </span><span>그러면</span><span> </span><span>굳었다고</span><span> </span><span>하는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. 60</span><span>억</span><span> </span><span>굳은</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>아니냐</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> :<u><strong> 60</strong></u></span><u><strong><span>억</span><span> </span><span>그냥</span><span> </span><span>생긴</span><span> </span><span>거예요</span></strong></u><span><u><strong>.</strong></u> </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>갑자기</span><span> </span><span>생겼어요</span><span>, </span><span>이분들</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>자기들</span><span> </span><span>가만히</span><span> </span><span>있다가</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>가만히</span><span> </span><span>있다가</span><span>. </span><span>우리</span><span> </span><span>노력으로</span><span> </span><span>그것도</span><span>.</span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span> </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span><span>자영업자가</span><span> </span><span>노력해서</span><span>. </span><span>그러면</span><span> </span><span>굳은</span><span> </span><span>돈</span><span> </span><span>가지고</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><strong><u><span>그것</span><span> </span><span>가지고</span><span> </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>지원하면</span><span> </span><span>되거든요</span></u></strong><span>.</span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>딱</span><span> </span><span>좋겠네요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span> </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>자영업자들도</span><span> </span><span>노력했고</span><span> </span><span>민변이나</span><span> </span><span>참여연대</span><span> </span><span>같은</span><span> </span><span>시민단체도</span><span> </span><span>열심히</span><span> </span><span>노력했어요</span><span>. </span><span>총수님</span><span>, </span><span>그것도</span><span> </span><span>평가해</span><span> </span><span>주셔야</span><span> </span><span>돼요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그것은</span><span> </span><span>끼리</span><span> </span><span>끼리</span><span> </span><span>알아서</span><span> </span><span>평가하고요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>그리고</span><span> </span><span>윤종오</span><span> </span><span>전</span><span> </span><span>북구청장님</span><span> </span><span>지난주에</span><span> </span><span>오셔서</span><span> </span><span>실시간</span><span> </span><span>검색</span><span> </span><span>오르셨잖아요</span><span>. </span><span>내일</span><span> </span><span>울산</span><span> </span><span>북구에서</span><span> </span><span>구상금</span><span> </span><span>면제</span><span> </span><span>결의를</span><span> </span><span>한데요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그래요</span><span>? </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>대폭</span><span> </span><span>통과될</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있도록</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>됐대요</span><span>? </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>아니</span><span>, </span><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>통과될</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있도록</span><span>. </span><span>아니</span><span>, </span><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>통과될</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있도록</span><span> </span><span>힘을</span><span> </span><span>모아주셔야</span><span> </span><span>돼요</span><span>. </span><span>회장님이</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>말씀해</span><span> </span><span>주세요</span><span>. </span><span>진짜</span><span> </span><span>그분이</span><span> </span><span>대형마트</span><span> </span><span>막기</span><span> </span><span>위해서</span><span> </span><span>정말</span><span> </span><span>좋은</span><span> </span><span>일</span><span> </span><span>하다가</span><span> </span><span>무려</span><span> 4</span><span>억을</span><span> </span><span>구상금</span><span> </span><span>당하고</span><span> </span><span>아파트를</span><span> </span><span>뺏기게</span><span> </span><span>생겼는데</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>저희</span><span> </span><span>자영업자</span><span> </span><span>입장에서</span><span> </span><span>굉장히</span><span> </span><span>미안해요</span><span>. </span><span>왜냐하면</span><span> </span><span>다</span><span> </span><span>인허가</span><span> </span><span>된</span><span> </span><span>거를</span><span> </span><span>우리들의</span><span> </span><span>요구로</span><span> </span><span>막아줬던</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>아니에요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>그</span><span> </span><span>피해를</span><span> </span><span>고스란히</span><span> </span><span>보니까</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>개인이</span><span> </span><span>본</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>아닙니까</span><span>, </span><span>개인이</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>안타까워죽겠어요</span><span>. </span><span>그것도</span><span> </span><span>개인한테</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>하나밖에</span><span> </span><span>없는</span><span> </span><span>아파트를</span><span> </span><span>뺏기게</span><span> </span><span>생겼다니까요</span><span>. </span><span>제발</span><span> </span><span>북구의회에서</span><span> </span><span>이</span><span> </span><span>구상금은</span><span> </span><span>면제해</span><span> </span><span>주셔야</span><span> </span><span>됩니다</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그러니까요</span><span>. </span><span>청장으로서</span><span> </span><span>소상공인을</span><span> </span><span>위해서</span><span> </span><span>대형마트를</span><span> </span><span>막았는데</span><span> </span><span>그로</span><span> </span><span>인한</span><span> </span><span>피해</span><span> </span><span>구상권을</span><span> </span><span>개인한테</span><span> </span><span>청구하는</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>아닙니까</span><span>?</span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>말도</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>거라고</span><span> </span><span>봐요</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>이게</span><span> </span><span>심각한</span><span> </span><span>게</span><span> </span><span>앞으로</span><span> </span><span>박원순</span><span> </span><span>시장님이나</span><span> </span><span>이재명</span><span> </span><span>지사님</span><span> </span><span>같은</span><span> </span><span>분이</span><span> </span><span>나와서</span><span> </span><span>좋은</span><span> </span><span>정책</span><span> </span><span>펼치다가</span><span> </span><span>당하면</span><span> </span><span>어떡해요</span><span>. </span><span>김경수</span><span> </span><span>지사</span><span> </span><span>같은</span><span> </span><span>분이</span><span> </span><span>좋은</span><span> </span><span>정책을</span><span> </span><span>했는데</span><span> </span><span>잘못하면</span><span> </span><span>소송당하고</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>그럼요</span><span>. </span><span>그러면</span><span> </span><span>뭘</span><span> </span><span>할</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있겠냐는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>안녕</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>방기홍</span><span> : </span><span>감사합니다</span><span>. </span></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></p> <p style="line-height:normal;font-size:17px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span>안진걸</span><span> : </span><span>다음</span><span> </span><span>주에</span><span> </span><span>또</span><span> </span><span>뵙겠습니다</span><span>. </span><br></p> <p><br></p> <p><br></p> <p><br></p> <p><br></p>